2009 Saturn Vue Complaint Log

VEHICLE HAS BEEN SERVICED FOR HYBRID SYSTEM MALFUNCTION IN THE PAST (SERVICE BULLETIN NO. SB-10136A), 07/19/2010, FROM ORIGINAL PURCHASE DATE 05/06/2009. VEHICLE CONTINUES TO HAVE ISSUES REGARDING HYBRID SYSTEM PLACING MYSELF AND ALL OTHER DRIVERS IN POTENTIAL DANGER. VEHICLE EQUIPPED WITH AN AUTO STOP FEATURE THAT TEMPORARILY SHUTS VEHICLES ENGINE DOWN TO SAVE ON GAS WHEN IT COMES TO A COMPLETE STOP (EX. RED LIGHTS, NEGOTIATING LEFT TURNS, STOP SIGNS.). WHEN DEPRESSING THE BRAKE, VEHICLE THEN RESTARTS ELECTRONICALLY AND ADVANCES. MY ISSUE IS THAT WHEN I COME TO A STOP, OR MAKE LEFTS, THE VEHICLE DOES NOT TURN BACK ON. THERE IS AN APPROXIMATE 5 TO 8 SECOND DELAY, THEN THE VEHICLE RESTARTS MANUALLY. THE STARTER ENGAGES AND THE CAR GOES AGAIN. THE DELAY HAS HAPPENED TO ME WHILE TURNING LEFT, WHICH LEAVES ME AT A RISK OF EITHER BEING STRUCK FROM BEHIND OR HEAD ON COLLISION FROM ONCOMING TRAFFIC. CONTACTED THE DEALER AND WAS TOLD THE BATTERY PACK HAD BEEN REPLACED BEFORE AND THEY CONSIDERED THE MATTER CLOSED. SAME INFORMATION WAS RELAYED FROM THE TOLL FREE NUMBER FOR SATURN. ONCE THE RECALL SERVICE IS COMPLETE, THAT'S IT. VEHICLE APPEARS TO HAVE A PATTERN OF HYBRID BATTERY REPLACEMENT (07/19/2010 AND NOW, MARCH 2013). IN MY OPINION, THE ISSUE WAS NOT RESOLVED AND THE MANUFACTURER GIVES NO IMPLICATION THAT THE SERVICES COMPLETED SOLVED ANYTHING. HYBRID COMPONENT PACK REPLACEMENT APPROX. EVERY 1 OR TWO YEARS SOUNDS UNREASONABLE AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN DISCLOSED IN THE OWNERS MANUAL IF ,IN FACT, THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO DEAL WITH HAVING TO OWN THIS PARTICULAR YEAR MAKE AND MODEL. *TR

THE REAR DEFROSTER DOES NOT WORK. WHEN YOU PRESS THE REAR DEFROSTER WINDSHIELD WIPER FLUID POURS OUT OF THE VEHICLE. NO DEFROSTING HAPPENS

TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2009 SATURN VUE HYBRID. WHILE DRIVING VARIOUS SPEEDS, THE CHECK ENGINE INDICATOR REMAINED ILLUMINATED. THE VEHICLE WAS TAKEN TO AUTONATION CHEVROLET NORTH RICHLAND HILLS (7769 BOULEVARD 26, NORTH RICHLAND HILLS, TX) WHERE IT WAS DIAGNOSED THAT THE ENGINE WAS FAULTY AND NEEDED TO BE REPLACED. THE ENGINE WAS REPLACED, BUT THE ENGINE BEGAN TO EXPERIENCE OVERHEATING AND THE SERPENTINE BELT FRACTURED DUE TO A FAILED AIR CONDITIONING COMPRESSOR. THE VEHICLE ALSO EXPERIENCED VARIOUS OTHER FAILURES, INCLUDING A DRAINED BATTERY AND THE STABILITRAC WARNING INDICATOR ILLUMINATED. THE VEHICLE WAS NOT REPAIRED. THE MANUFACTURER WAS NOT NOTIFIED OF THE FAILURES. THE VIN WAS NOT AVAILABLE. THE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 120,000.

WHILE DRIVING AT APPROXIMATELY 30 MPH PARTS OF THE INSTRUMENT CLUSTER FAILED. THIS INCLUDED THE SPEEDOMETER, ELECTRONIC STABILITY CONTROL AND DRIVER INFORMATION CENTER. DRIVER PULLED OVER AND TURNED OFF THE VEHICLE. RESTARTING THE VEHICLE DID NOT CORRECT THE CONDITION. THE VEHICLE WAS DRIVEN APPROXIMATELY A MILE TO HOME AND SHUT OFF. STARTING THE VEHICLE LATER RESULTED IN THE COMPONENTS WORKING PROPERLY. NOTE THAT ON PREVIOUS OCCASIONS THE DIC (DRIVER INFORMATION CENTER) HAS RESET ITSELF. VEHICLE HAS NEVER BEEN IN AN ACCIDENT AND IS MAINTAINED IN EXCELLENT CONDITION. *TR

TL*THE CONTACT OWNS A 2009 SATURN VUE. THE CONTACT STATED THAT THE FRONT DRIVER AND PASSENGER SIDE INTERIOR CHROME DOOR HANDLES EXHIBITED A SHARP POINTED EDGE. THE CONTACT SUSTAINED A SEVERE LACERATION TO THE LEFT FINGER FROM THE FAILURE. THE VEHICLE HAD NOT BEEN DIAGNOSED OR REPAIRED. THE MANUFACTURER WAS NOT NOTIFIED OF THE DEFECT. THE APPROXIMATE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 65,531.

TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2009 SATURN VUE. THE CONTACT STATED THAT WHILE DRIVING APPROXIMATELY 30 MPH, A COMPLETE LOSS OF POWERING STEERING OCCURRED WITHOUT ANY WARNING. THE CONTACT CONTINUED TO DRIVE HOWEVER, THE STEERING WHEEL BECAME DIFFICULT TO TURN. THE VEHICLE WAS TAKEN TO AN INDEPENDENT AUTO SHOP AND AN AUTHORIZED DEALER FOR DIAGNOSIS. THE TECHNICIANS ADVISED THAT THERE WAS A LEAK IN THE POWER STEERING PUMP AND THE HOSE. THE CONTACT REFERENCED NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID NUMBER WAS 08V470000 (STEERING: HYDRAULIC POWER ASSIST: HOSE, PIPING, AND CONNECTIONS) HOWEVER, THE CONTACT'S VIN WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE RECALL. THE VEHICLE HAD NOT BEEN REPAIRED. THE MANUFACTURER WAS NOT NOTIFIED OF THE PROBLEM. THE APPROXIMATE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 58,000.

I STARTED THE ENGINE AND HEARD A CLANG. I GOT OUT AND LOOKED UNDER MY CAR AND THERE WAS A PART OF THE AIR CONDITIONER COMPRESSOR (PART OF THE CLUTCH) LAYING ON THE GROUND. I TOOK IT IN FOR SERVICE AND WAS TOLD THE BEARINGS FAILED AND IT WAS FALLING APART. I NOTICED ON EDMOND'S THAT OTHERS WERE HAVING THE SAME PROBLEM WITH THE SAME MILEAGE FOR THE SAME MODEL SO I THOUGHT I SHOULD DOCUMENT THIS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION. *TR

AS OF THE BEGINNING OF LAST YR. MY SATURN HAS BEEN GIVING ME TROUBLE WITH THE KEY NOT COMING OUT OF THE IGNITION WHEN I TURN OFF THE ENGINE. I HAVE TRY A NUMBER OF THINGS. EX; TURN ENGINE BACK ON & TURN THE WHEEL TO THE LEFT & THEN TO THE RIGHT. ALSO I'LL SHIFT THE TRANS FROM P TO D & BACK. IT SEEMS TO BE SOMETHING IN THE LOCK OR WHAT EVER CONTROLS THE TRANS. THAT SENDS A SIGNAL WHEN IGNITION IS OFF SO YOU CAN TURN THE KEY ALL THE WAY TO THE OFF POSITION TO RELEASE THE KEY . MY 1ST YR I HAD NO PROBLEMS. OTHER THAN THIS KEY SITUATION I HAVE HAD A GOOD RIDE WITH THIS VEHICLE. *TR ...UPDATED 07-24-13 *BF THE CONSUMER STATED AS OF 07/12/13 THE SHIFT ASSEMBLY WAS REPLACED TO CORRECT THE KEY SITUATION. AT THE PRESENT TIME, THERE WERE NO MORE PROBLEMS WITH REMOVING THE KEY.

CANNOT GET KEY OUT OF IGNITION WHEN CAR IS TURNED OFF, HAVE TO WAIT AT LEAST ONE MINUTE OR MORE TO GET IT TO UNLOCK OR RELEASE TO TAKE KEY OUT, USES TOO MUCH BATTERY TIME. *TR

TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2009 SATURN VUE. THE CONTACT STATED THAT WHILE MAKING A LEFT TURN AT AN UNKNOWN SPEED, THE STEERING WHEEL BECAME DIFFICULT TO MANEUVER AND AN ABNORMAL SOUND EMITTED FROM THE VEHICLE WITHOUT WARNING. THE VEHICLE WAS TAKEN TO THE DEALER WHERE IT WAS DIAGNOSED THAT THE POWER STEERING PUMP AND THE INLET PIPE NEEDED TO BE REPLACED. THE VEHICLE WAS REPAIRED BUT THE FAILURE RECURRED. THE VEHICLE WAS TAKEN BACK TO THE DEALER ON TWO SEPARATE OCCASION WHERE IT WAS DIAGNOSED THAT THE GEAR ASSEMBLY NEEDED TO BE REPLACED. IN ADDITION, THE SHAFT WAS FRACTURED AND NEEDED TO BE REPLACED. THE VEHICLE WAS REPAIRED BUT THE FAILURE RECURRED. THE VEHICLE WAS NOT DIAGNOSED OR REPAIRED. THE MANUFACTURER WAS NOTIFIED OF THE FAILURE. THE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 36,685. UPDATED 04/21/2016*LJ UPDATED 05/31/18*JB

WHILE ON A TRIP DRIVING FROM CENTRAL ARKANSAS TO WISCONSIN, THE WIPER MOTOR WENT OUT AND CAUSED THE FRONT WIPERS TO STOP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WINDSHIELD. AND OF COURSE THIS STARTED HAPPENING WHILE IT WAS RAINING. THERE WAS NO WAY FOR THE WIPERS TO GO BACK DOWN TO THEIR PROPER POSITION. WHILE IN WISCONSIN I TRIED TO SCHEDULE AN APPOINTMENT WHILE THE LOCAL CERTIFIED SATURN DEALERSHIP BUT THEY SAID IT WOULD BE OVER A WEEK BEFORE THEY COULD GET ME IN. WE HAD TO DRIVE ALL OF THE WAY BACK TO ARKANSAS WITH THE WIPERS NOT WORKING AND STUCK IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WINDSHIELD, OBSTRUCTING THE VIEW. THE COST TO HAVE IT FIXED WAS OVER $500 AND HAD TO DRIVE 1 HR AWAY TO GET THE CAR TO THE CERTIFIED SATURN DEALERSHIP. *TR

THE DEFROST BUTTON FLASHES AND DEACTIVATES DURING FREEZING TEMPERATURES PREVENTING THE WINDOWS FROM DEFOGGING. *TR

2009 SATURN VUE XR. IN DECEMBER 2010 I NOTICED INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR LIGHTS WOULD OCCASIONALLY START FLICKERING, APPROX. 2 HZ RATE. PROBLEM WAS INTERMITTENT; SEVERAL REPAIR SHOPS SAID "PROBABLY A SHORT..." BUT I NEVER HAD ANYONE ACTUALLY TRY TO TROUBLESHOOT. ON JAN 15 2011 I NOTICED THAT THE DRIVER'S SIDE SUN VISOR SPINDLE WAS VERY HOT TO THE TOUCH. I WAS CONCERNED THAT IT MIGHT GET HOT ENOUGH TO START A FIRE. I TOOK THE VISOR DOWN FROM THE HEADLINER, HOPING TO FIND A CONNECTOR FOR THE WIRES, BUT IT WAS HARD WIRED, SO I SNIPPED AND TAPED OFF THE WIRES AND REMOUNTED THE VISOR. THE FLICKERING PROBLEM HAS NOT RETURNED, SO I BELIEVE THE TWO TO BE RELATED. *TR

MY 2009 SATURN VUE HYBRID WAS PURCHASES IN JAN 2009. SINCE THAT TIME MY CAR BATTERY HAS DIED 4 TIMES. WHEN I TOOK IT TO THE SATURN DEALER IN SAVANNAH THEY SAID THERE WAS NOTHING WRONG WITH THE BATTERY BUT MY HYBRID BATTERY HAD A RECALL. AFTER 10 DAYS THE VEHICLE WAS RELEASED BACK TO ME WITH A NEW HYBRID BATTERY HOWEVER, THE 12 V CONTINUES TO DIE. THE GM DEALER IN HINESVILLE GA SAID THAT BATTERIES WILL DIE IN EXTREME CONDITIONS. I LIVE IN SE GEORGIA. I HAVE NO GPS, RADAR DETECTOR, MPS PLAYER , DVD PLAYER ETC PLUGGED INTO MY VUE TO ACCOUNT FOR WEATHER OR BATTERY DRAIN. I PURCHASED THIS VEHICLE TO TRANSPORT MY GRANDDAUGHTER TO DOC APPT, SOCCER, SHOPPING AND DAYCARE KNOWING THAT BY USES A HYBRID I WAS BEING KINDER TO THE ENVIRONMENT. WHEN MY BATTERY DIED LAST NIGHT I CONTACTED ON STAR TO RUN A DIAGNOSTIC TEST. ON STAT DID NOT FIND ANY ISSUES WITH THE BATTER HOWEVER, MY AIRBAGS WOULD NOT DEPLOY IN CASE OF AN ACCIDENT. THERE IS SOMETHING VERY WRONG WITH THE BATTERY OR ELECTRICAL SYSTEM OF THE VUE HYBRID AND MY DEALERSHIP IS NOT BEING FORTHRIGHT ABOUT THE LARGER ISSUE. EVENTUALLY MY WARRANTY WILL RUN OUT AND THEN I WILL BE STUCK WITH A VERY EXPENSIVE LEMON! PLEASE HELP! *TR

TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2009 SATURN VUE. THE CONTACT STATED WHILE DRIVING 45 MPH, THE ENGINE STALLED WITHOUT WARNING. THE CONTACT COASTED THE VEHICLE ONTO THE SIDE OF THE ROAD WHERE SHE RESTARTED THE VEHICLE AND IF FUNCTIONED PROPERLY. THE VEHICLE WAS NOT TAKEN TO THE DEALER FOR INSPECTION. THE VEHICLE WAS NOT REPAIRED AND THE FAILURE RECURRED TWO ADDITIONAL TIMES. THE MANUFACTURER WAS NOTIFIED OF THE FAILURE. THE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 30,000.

TL*THE CONTACT OWNS A 2009 SATURN VUE HYBRID. WHILE DRIVING 65 MPH AND EXITING THE FREEWAY, THE VEHICLE LOST POWER STEERING AND WOULD NOT SLOW DOWN WHEN THE BRAKE PEDAL WAS DEPRESSED. THE CHECK ENGINE, BRAKE AND ABS LIGHTS ILLUMINATED. THE CONTACT PULLED OVER BUT THE VEHICLE WOULD NOT RESTART AFTER BEING TURNED OFF. THE VEHICLE WAS TOWED TO AN AUTHORIZED DEALER WHERE THE CONTACT WAS INFORMED THAT THE HYBRID BATTERY NEEDED TO BE REPLACED; THE VEHICLE HAD NOT BEEN REPAIRED AS THE PARTS WERE ON BACKORDER. THE CONTACT CALLED THE MANUFACTURER WHO OFFERED NO ASSISTANCE. THE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS APPROXIMATELY 19,000.

I PURCHASED MY 2009 SATURN VUE XR V6 A YEAR AGO. AFTER DRIVING MY SATURN DURING THE 1ST MONTH I BEGAN TO NOTICE THE A/C WAS BLOWING WARM AIR WHEN I WAS NEEDING TO COOL THE INSIDE OF THE CABINET . WE HAD VERY HOT CONSECUTIVE DAYS IN N.C WITH TEMPERATURES REACHING IN ACCESS OF 100 DEGREES. I HAD NO CHOICE BUT TO LET THE WINDOWS DOWN TO SURVIVE THE HEAT. I AM ANGRY WITH GM NOW AS THEY ARE APPEARING TO IGNORE THIS PROBLEM WITH NO RECALL IN SIGHT TO DATE. I UNDERSTAND THAT GM HAS REPORTED TO HAVE REPAID AT LEAST 30 PERCENT OF TARP MONEY THEY RECEIVED FROM THE GOVERNMENT BAILOUT AND REPORTED BILLIONS IN PROFIT. GM NEEDS TO STEP UP TO THE PLATE AND ADDRESS AND FIX THIS PROBLEM WITH THE SATURN VUE. THE FASTEST AND CHEAPEST FROM OF ADVERTISING IN STILL WORD OF MOUTH. I WILL EXPRESS TO MY FRIENDS , FAMILY AND STRANGERS I MEET WITH MY DISPLEASURE WITH THE GM PRODUCT. THE A/ C PROBLEM WITH MY SATURN VUE OCCURS EVERYTIME I TURN ON THE UNIT. A CABIN SENSOR UNIT WAS REPLACE ONCE TO FIX THE PROBLEM ; HOWEVER, THE PROBLEM STILL EXIST. I AM NOT HAPPY MAKING MONTHLY PAYMENTS FOR MY SATURN VUE WITH THIS PROBLEM CONTINUING TO EXIST WITH MY A/C. *TR

MY 2009 SATURN VUE HYBRID HAS HAD 2 CAR BATTERIES DIE AND THE HYBRID BATTERIES HAVE HAD TO BE REPLACED AS WELL. I PURCHASED THE VUE IN JULY OF 2009. THE FIRST CAR BATTERY WAS REPORTED DEAD BY THE LOU FUZE DEALERSHIP LESS THAN A WEEK AFTER MY PURCHASE AND REPLACED UNDER WARRANTY. THE HYBRID BATTERIES WERE DEEMED "DEAD" BY THE LOU FUZE DEALERSHIP IN JULY 2010 AND REPLACED UNDER WARRANTY. IN OCTOBER 2010, THE CAR BATTERY WAS AGAIN DEEMED "DEAD" AND REPLACED BY THE LOU FUZE DEALERSHIP. EACH TIME THE CAR BATTERY WAS REPLACED, I WAS TOLD BY THE DEALERSHIP THAT BATTERIES WILL DIE QUICKLY IN EXTREME CONDITIONS. I WAS NOT AWARE THAT THE ST. LOUIS AREA QUALIFIED AS EXTREME IN TERMS OF WEATHER. ADDITIONALLY, I WAS TOLD BY THE SERVICE MANAGER DURING MY THE OCTOBER 2010 INCIDENT THAT I SHOULD BE HAPPY IT WAS ONLY MY CAR BATTERY THAT WAS DEAD BECAUSE THE HYBRID BATTERIES ARE ON BACK ORDER. IT SEEMS THAT THERE IS SOMETHING VERY WRONG WITH THE BATTERY OR ELECTRICAL SYSTEM OF THE VUE HYBRID AND MY DEALERSHIP IS NOT BEING FORTHRIGHT ABOUT THE LARGER ISSUE. EVENTUALLY MY WARRANTY WILL RUN OUT AND THEN I WILL BE STUCK WITH A VERY EXPENSIVE LEMON! PLEASE HELP! *TR

TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2009 SATURN VUE HYBRID. THE CONTACT STATED THAT THE BRAKE PEDAL WOULD INTERMITTENTLY BECOME STUCK WHEN DEPRESSED AND THE CONTACT WOULD HAVE TO FORCIBLY DISLODGE THE PEDAL WITH HIS FOOT. THE CONTACT HAD TAKEN THE VEHICLE TO THE DEALER TEN TIMES AND THE DEALER WAS UNABLE TO DUPLICATE THE FAILURE EACH TIME. THE CONTACT STATED THAT THE FAILURE WOULD OCCUR AFTER DRIVING FOR A PERIOD OF TIME. THE VEHICLE WAS NOT REPAIRED. THE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 20,869 AND THE CURRENT MILEAGE WAS 41,000.

WHILE CHANGING A FLAT TIRE ON THE DRIVER SIDE FRONT TIRE, THE FACTORY-SUPPLIED SCREW-TYPE JACK COLLAPSED, AND BENT ALMOST IN HALF. AT THE TIME OF THE INCIDENT, THE PARKING BRAKE WAS SET AND THE JACK WAS PROPERLY LOCATED. THE MANUFACTURER REFUSED TO REPLACE THE PART.

TL*THE CONTACT OWNS A 2009 SATURN VUE. DURING A ROUTINE OIL CHANGE, THE MECHANIC STATED THAT THERE WERE PIECES OF METAL IN THE OIL FILTER. THE VEHICLE DIDN'T MALFUNCTION OR AFFECT HIS ABILITY TO DRIVE AT THE TIME OF THE COMPLAINT. HE SCHEDULED AN APPOINTMENT WITH THE DEALER ON 03/02/2010. HE HAD NOT CALLED THE MANUFACTURER TO-DATE. THE CURRENT MILEAGE WAS 5,325. THE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 5,266.

1. THE INTERIOR DRIVER SIDE DOOR HANDLE IS "CHROME" COVERED AND HAS CAUSED CUTS THAT REQUIRED A 'BUTTERFLY' STITCHING. 2. EVERY TIME I OPEN THE DOOR I GET CUT 3. I HAVE CONTACTED SATURN FOR ALMOST A YEAR TO REPAIR THIS TO NO AVAIL. 1. THE TIRE PRESSURE SENSORS ARE ON BACKWARDS. IF MY LEFT FRONT TIRE IS GOING FLAT THE SENSORS AND LIGHTS SAY IT'S THE LEFT REAR TIRE. 2. THIS HAPPENS EACH TIME MY TIRE GETS LOW AND I JUST FIGURED OUT THE PROBLEM 3 MONTHS AGO. IT CAUSES ME TO OVER INFLATE THE INCORRECT TIRE AND THE LOW TIRE IS STILL LOW ON AIR. 3. I HAVE CONTACTED SATURN FOR ALMOST A YEAR ABOUT THIS AND THEY HAVE NOT HELPED. *TR

TAKATA RECALL. I HAVEN'T RECEIVED NOTIFICATION TO REPLACE MY TAKATA AIRBAGS BUT ALL OTHER MAKES AND MODELS OF CARS AND TRUCKS HAVE RECEIVED THEIR RECALLS. I WANT MY TAKATA AIRBAGS REPLACED.

I WAS HIT ON DRIVER SIDE DOOR..HIGH SPEED IMPACT.. FIRE DEPT NEEDED TO USE JAWS OF LIFE TO GET ME OUT.. I WAS UNCONSCIOUS AND TAKEN TO TRAUMA..NO AIRBAGS DEPLOYED..HITS WERE ALSO NOTED TO FRONT PANEL AND REAR..CAR WAS TOTALED. *TR

NO ACCIDENT. I'M REPORTING DESIGNFLAW: SATURN VUE SERVICE MANUAL STATES NOT USE TIRE CHAINS, BUT NO SUGGESTION OF WHAT TO USE IN SNOW. AFTER MANY PHONE CALLS I FOUND SATURN SELLS SPIKE SPIDERS FOR $470 TO MORE THAN $500 A POP. THESE SPIKES ARE SAID BY THE SPIKE SPIDER MANUFACTURER, NOT TO INTERFERE WITH SENSORS, BRAKES, SUSPENSION ON THE SIDE OF THE TIRE NEXT TO THE VEHICLE. MY SATURN DEALERSHIP WAS CAREFUL NOT TO RECOMMEND THESE VERY EXPENSIVE SPIKES. I HAD TO ASK THEM. BUT SATURN DOES SELL THEM AT THEIR DEALERSHIPS. WHEN CALLING THE NATIONWIDE SATURN CUSTOMER SERVICE NUMBER, THEY DIDN'T HAVE AN ANSWER AT ALL FOR ME. IN FACT, THEY WANTED TO TALK ABOUT EVERYTHING BUT MY QUESTION. SO, IT IS EITHER PAY FOR VERY EXPENSIVE AFTER MARKET PRODUCT OR USE NOTHING. I FEAR THE LATTER. HOW MANY FOLKS WILL GO WITHOUT THIS WINTER DUE TO COST AND AVAILABILITY. ALL DUE TO THE DESIGN OF THE VEHICLE. SOMEONE WASN'T THINKING. *TR